[-empyre-] Living with eyes closed is too easy....

["Lachlan Brown" <lachlan@london.com>]

Quanta. I believe we have upped the level of the debate.




> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 19:14:30 -0400
> From: saul ostrow <so5@nyu.edu>
> Organization: uconn
> To: empyre@imap.cofa.unsw.edu.au
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Nothing is Real?
> Reply-To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
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> Lachlan Brown wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, Damien, how true.
> > 
> > But only for the imaginary and 'reality'. The Real is something else entirely.
> > 
> > Subject/Object are, we may say, products of the Real.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Subjects and objects are the product of the symbolic order --which  is the way
> we order our sense world
> the real is all that happens -- it is unknown and unknowable as such because it
> is beyond the scope of our senses
> The imagined is a form of hybrid unreal -- it is the virtual it is where
> anything that we may represent is possible
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> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:38:10 +1200
> To: empyre@imap.cofa.unsw.edu.au
> From: Sean Cubitt <seanc@waikato.ac.nz>
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Nothing is Real?
> Reply-To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
> 
> Kia Ora
> 
> Real: the foam of physis, the chaotic becoming of the world, and the 
> raw sensation of it
> Imaginary: this is the realm, I figure, of the subject-object divide 
> (Lacan's mirror stage). It reduces the world to space and time, 
> distinguishing them from primal unity. Sollers refers to the Real in 
> the sense of the quantum activity that 'worlds'. Until it is split 
> into subjects and objects, there can be no representation. The 
> subject attempts mastery (gender specific?), but is always also 
> subjected in the process. Objection, abjection and identity are 
> constellated in the Imaginary
> Symbolic: has the task of suturing back the torn halves of 
> space-time, an activity fundamentally social, in which the tools are 
> the relations between objects (causality, logic, math . . .), the 
> relations between subjects (law, rhetoric, argument) and the 
> relations between objects and subjects (interpretation, address)
> 
> There are artists who attempt to recreate the Real: Lyotard sings 
> their praises in the essay on acinema, Krauss in the Informe. There 
> are those who ring the changes of the Imaginary: Duchamp, Beuys, 
> warhol and the core tradition of late 20th century insitutional art. 
> And there are those who undertake the utopian task of the Symbolic: 
> to render open the relational, communicative zone.
> 
> Of course everything is more compelx than that; and each moment of 
> this transition is not only subsumed,but also disinterred, worked in 
> as dialectical antithesis, reconfigured, redeployed, most of al in 
> the pursuit of dominance which, in this perspective, appears as the 
> attempt to control the flows of communication by ammassing content, 
> channelling distribution, excluding, monopolising. Information wants 
> to be free but is everywhere in chains
> 
> s
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